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Spiritual Materialism (13 posts)

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  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    We use our intellect to translate our experiences and direct them into categories in an attempt to understand our lives. Our beliefs become surrogates for our experiences, and as we get older, they eventually may insulate us from any direct experience what so ever. Through our habit energy we utilize concepts, ideologies, and constructs as filters that partition all of our incoming perceptions. Furthermore, we manipulate our interpretations of our experiences until they eventually concur with our particular belief system. Spiritual materialism therefore is our utilization of religious and spiritual beliefs to conform to our own worldview. True spirituality, and in this case Zen practice is an attempt to rid ourselves of the baggage of all belief systems.

    Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch, JDPSN
    Guiding Teacher, Five Mountain Order
    the Monastery Without Walls
  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Within this context I’d like to begin a discussion of what Spiritual materialism means to you and what might you see as the pitfalls of understanding Zen from a Western perspective.

  • Avatar Image Al Jigen Billings1p said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Within the context of Buddhism in general and my Zen practice in particular, I find it very easy to get caught up in my ideas of what practice should or should be, what I should be doing or studying, etc. ALL of this winds up being beside the point in so many ways. Making categories like “practice” and partitioning things off can easily wind up distancing myself from the immediacy of the world. Unfortunately, it is a trap that I constantly find myself falling into as I “make” things rather than witness.

    As to understanding Zen from a Western perspective, I see so many issues with the “buffet style” approach to Zen. We pick and choose from the teachings of various eras and nations to find what we like. In this, it is easy for people to fall into the trap of not really delving into the teachings or practice as they skim across the surface.

    Of course, the other obvious option, of becoming extremely narrowly focused on one tradition or even one lineage within a tradition of practice, can be very confining, rigid, and narrow. “We do this because we’ve always done it this way!” and so forth.

    There has to be a middle ground between the two and this is something that we’ll need to find in order for Zen to fully flower outside of Asia.

  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Hi Rev. Jigen,

    Sorry for the delay on this response. Your comments are insightful and to the point; however what I am saying is about the tendency of Western Buddhist Teachers to transmit forms. I would agree that if we, as spiritual practitioners, approach this from the smörgåsbord perspective we may never commit to any significant movement in our own spiritual development.

    It is up to the teachers of Buddhism to understand the spiritual context of Buddhist Practices and through a slow and methodical approach begin to discern the differences between Buddhism and Confucian Culture, as is the case with mu examination of Korean Zen.

    So, your concerns are valid, and are at the forefront of what I am trying to discern within our Western Practice of Buddhism. The more we see into the depth of a culture, the more we don’t need to adopt those mores as our own. This is the dialog I wish to propose, not one of choice, but one of cultural relevance.

  • Avatar Image Friday said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Hi Paul,

    Great topic. I have encountered surprising rigidity among some Zen teachers (and students) here in America with regard to the preservation of Japanese Zen traditions, rituals, lineage, and scriptural interpretation. Most laypeople who are full time students, have full-time jobs, have families with young children and other worldly responsibilities, will be hard-pressed to spend 5-10 hours per week or more meditating at home, sitting, bowing and chanting with the sangha, receiving instruction from a teacher, reading sutras and buddhist history, and attending retreats (which, by the way, aren’t inexpensive by most people’s standards). Yet unless one is a monastic wannabe, practicing like one’s “hair is on fire”, one is subtly (or not so subtly) ridiculed for being undisciplined.

    A case in point: I ran across the following blog entry about Zen in the West. What I found most interesting was not the article itself but the comments that followed, many of which, I think, speak right to the heart of the “spiritual materialism” issue. Of particular interest were, IMO, the very thoughtful and gentle criticisms made by the (apparently) Indian person towards the end, as contrasted with the blogger’s responses. I hope you will read it through and post your thoughts.

    http://buddhism.about.com/b/2010/08/05/western-buddhism-a-xerox-copy.htm

  • Avatar Image Al Jigen Billings1p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Friday, it is well known, for example, that the average American watches more than two hours (more like four, as I recall) of television a day.

    As someone who is married, has a full-time job, has started a non-profit hackerspace during the last six months, and engages in various other activities (such as roughly 45 minutes of focused exercise a day), I still find time to practice. Sure, people have to make time but I really do not think that people, even people with families, are so busy that they cannot practice for around an hour a day and study texts, etc. for another hour. Most people just have to choose to do that over tv or certain social activities.

    That sounds unsympathetic and I do not mean it to sound so. I know it is difficult. There are plenty of times that I don’t want to sit down and study or even practice when I’m tired or I’ve had a long day but we all choose to follow the Dharma. We have to make the decision of what is important in this precious human life.

    I see this as a far different issue than attachment to foreign ritual or form. Buddhism has survived for over 2,500 years. We need to continue to pass it down and I am not convinced that we should just throw it all out. It has to be a nuanced process.

  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Hello Friday,

    I read the blog post from Barbara on your link, and I find it interesting that she would quote a Christian Minister believing that this person understands something about Buddhism. I would have to say that our friend Rajeev is right on the mark with his comments and I would have to agree with him.

    I find Barbara’s posts on About.com: Buddhism to be highly opinionated and lacking insight often, she is not a teacher, just a spiritual practitioner who still clings tightly to her opinion. This is the problem with too many Western Spiritual Practitioners, they find a path and then cling ever so tightly to their ideas. I am going to digest Rajeev’s posts and add some more to this thread in the next day or two. Thanks for sharing this and pointing out what I surely would have missed after reading on the banter that lead up to the interesting comments at the end.

  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Thanks for the post Al, I would agree that we must make spiritual practice an important aspect of our lives and need to find the time fit in our formal practice. There is, however, a natural progression where one becomes more aware of actions and phenomena in their everyday waking lives. I believe that Friday was responding to this post by Barbara on About.com and her friend the Christian who is an expert on Buddhism (she thinks that Yoga and Zen are the same thing.) We must find that very thin thread that weaves its way in the middle ground where there is perfect balance in our lives and our practice. This is not easy, and many have been distracted by blindly following ritual and form and believing this to be practice.

    This is a difficult subject, because, as with everything, there is no ‘right’ way to do anything. So, lets keep the discussion alive and keep sharing our insights.

  • Avatar Image Laura Neal said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    After reading the above referenced blog post and comments, I find myself dismayed at yet another “more authentic than thou” quasi-debate that is becoming increasingly common in the yoga and Buddhist spheres (and most likely others; those are just the two in which I am involved).

    Too often these discussions dissolve into little more than attempts to validate one’s opinion (and dismiss another’s) by boasting of one’s spiritual “cred” of sutras studied, retreats attended, teachers met, titles received, and so on. These resumes form the basis of created identities which must be protected and defended. It is another manifestation of spiritual materialism, which in this case degenerated into name calling (“new age fluff” and “bookstore Buddhists” for example).

    I am reminded of many years ago at a large yoga conference, when a panel of famous teachers (the ones on the videos) were asked an anonymously submitted question about their contributions to the commercialization of yoga. While seemingly trying to refrain from defensiveness, most could not help but slip in their qualifications, usually tied to years of practice and connection to a teacher in India. But Rodney Yee, arguably the biggest yoga star of the time, simply answered “I might ask the questioner to consider ‘what does that have to do with your practice?’”

    I use that question often, especially when I catch myself rolling my eyes at the ubiquitousness of zen this and zen that, or at an ad for yoga shoes. What does this have to do with my practice? The answer is usually “nothing.”

    I am not saying we should all just shut up and go sit. Discussions about larger context issues are interesting and important, and misinformation should be corrected. I just think these conversations could be of more benefit if each of us keeps Mr. Yee’s question in mind. I know it has helped me remember that my point of view is just that–a point of view, which is constructed and therefore empty.

  • Avatar Image Paul Dōch’ŏng Lynch3p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Thanks Laura, your post is very timely as I just read this article:
    Yoga wars’ spoil spirit of ancient practice, Indian agency says
    By Emily Wax
    Monday, August 23, 2010

    NEW DELHI — Heard of Naked Yoga? Kosher Yoga? Yoga for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?

    More than 30 million Americans practice some sort of yoga in an ever-expanding industry generating an estimated $6 billion in the United States alone.

    But in the birthplace of yoga, an Indian government agency is fighting what it calls “yoga theft” after several U.S. companies said they wanted to copyright or patent their versions. Yoga is a part of humanity’s shared knowledge, the agency says, and any business claiming the postures as its own is violating the very spirit of the ancient practice.

    India’s Traditional Knowledge Digital Library has gathered a team of yogis from nine schools and 200 scientists to scan ancient texts, including the writings of Patanjali, thought to be the original compiler of yoga sutras. The group is documenting more than 900 yoga postures and making a video catalogue of 250 of the most popular ones, from sun salutation to downward-facing dog.

    The catalogue will be released next month and given to the international patent system, which yoga gurus in India say is essential in an age when cultural traditions can cross borders instantaneously.

    (Maryland football team uses Yoga to help strike a balance)

    “Yoga is collective knowledge and is available for use by everybody no matter what the interpretation,” said V.K. Gupta, head of the digital library, which was set up by the ministries of health and science. “It would be very inappropriate if some companies try to prevent others from any yoga practice, even if they call it some other name. So we wanted to ensure that, in the future, nobody will be able to claim that he has created a yoga posture which was actually already created in 2500 B.C. in India.”

    The library has documented other traditional Indian knowledge, including ayurvedic treatments and homeopathy. Tens of thousands of yoga postures have been compiled, but many are not widely practiced.

    “This collection is very successful in preventing wrong patent information, but it is available in 34 million pages,” Gupta said with a chuckle. “We are trying to shorten the yoga catalogue to make it very easy for the world to understand.”

    The poses, now listed in Sanskrit, will be translated into English, German, French, Spanish and Japanese. Gupta’s library has agreements with U.S. and European patent offices, and Gupta said he hopes that U.S. patent officers will refer yoga studios directly to his information.

    Popularized in the United States by Beatles guitarist George Harrison, yoga has moved into the mainstream and now includes yoga vacations, children’s camps, retreats, books, magazines, CDs, trendy clothing, pricey jewelry, cookbooks and even dating services.

    Yoga wars, as they are known, started in 2004 in Beverly Hills when Calcutta-born yoga master Bikram Choudhury claimed as his intellectual property a sequence of 26 postures that his students performed in a room heated to 105 degrees. He attempted to collect money from smaller studios offering “Hot Yoga” classes.

    Open Source Yoga Unity, a San Francisco-based nonprofit group of yoga enthusiasts, filed a federal lawsuit against Choudhury’s patent. The lawsuit resulted in a confidential settlement agreement.

    Today, Choudhury’s form of yoga is taught at more than 400 centers from Washington to Paris. His net worth is unofficially estimated at $7 million.

    The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has granted at least 131 patents on the subject of yoga, most for books and yoga mats. The database of registered and pending trademarks lists 3,700 trademarks but no specific patents on postures or variations of postures, the government agency said.

    In India, yoga used to be free, practiced in public parks and ashrams. It was typically part of a Hindu religious commitment to an austere life and seen as a practice for ash-smeared holy men in loincloths who were vegetarians, abstained from alcohol, and prayed, meditated and chanted for more than four hours a day.

    But yoga has entered the mainstream in India, and millions of people practice in studios. The government has encouraged the army to teach supple poses to stressed-out officers in the disputed region of Kashmir. Hundreds of Mumbai residents practiced outside in a show of unity after the 2008 terrorist attack. Prisoners in the state of Madhya Pradesh can receive an early release if they complete a meditative breathing and stretching yoga course, which is said to be excellent for anger management.

    At her popular Iyengar yoga class at her home in New Delhi, instructor Nischint Singh, 42, said that yoga was originally meant to soothe shattered souls and teach breathing known as pranayama, and that she always thought it should be open to everyone.

    “Yoga is for developing a connection with yourself. It’s meant to be meditative,” she said before a recent class. “But today it’s being sold as a way of weight loss and a way to look younger. The actual originators of yoga are not even alive. Everything people are doing today is just following them.”

    Special correspondent Ayesha Manocha contributed to this report.

    My Comment: Is this a possible future also for Zen, with the Advent of course work like “Big Mind” and also with the new age approach by people like Tolle and Katie, who have to re-package the ancient teachings, otherwise everyone would know that they are just selling watter down at the river,.I believe that organizations should be as thin as possible and all the effort should be in helping and not in marketing some brand or special way. As the article says that all of these used to be offered for free. I am not advocating that, as Westerners like to practice in nice, well lit and neatly arranged spaces and that costs someone money. I just feel that the co-opting of ancient teachings into some kind of brand it utterly ridiculous.

  • Avatar Image Tylik said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Orthogonally, there is a lot to be said here about the current level of silliness in intellectual property law.

    Is the issue here one of organization or commercialization? Not to say that either is without problems, but the issues around commodification seem relatively straightforward, where, at least to me, those around organization as such are more complex rendering them a bit more opaque. I’ve been thinking about this a lot in my own situation – I care a great deal about each of the members of the Seattle local branch of the order I’m a member of. Do I care about the order? Well, the collective entity of the Seattle branch, perhaps yes, as that has been a fruitful context. The order beyond that? I’m really not sure. Is training in that context advantageous over any other training opportunity that arises? Well, I really like training with my teacher an awful lot, and he keeps not punting me. And also encourages me to work with other groups when the opportunity arises. *shrug* In a lot of ways, the organization per se is kind of incidental to my own work. I benefit, I suspect, from the existence of the organization, and so far I’ve mostly been able to sidestep any complications associated with it.

    I do feel that there at times is a temptation for me to get caught up in one’s progress or training in that organization, which can be detrimental to… well, anything important, really.

  • Avatar Image Al Jigen Billings1p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Paul wrote:

    “My Comment: Is this a possible future also for Zen, with the Advent of course work like “Big Mind” and also with the new age approach by people like Tolle and Katie, who have to re-package the ancient teachings, otherwise everyone would know that they are just selling watter down at the river,.I believe that organizations should be as thin as possible and all the effort should be in helping and not in marketing some brand or special way. As the article says that all of these used to be offered for free. I am not advocating that, as Westerners like to practice in nice, well lit and neatly arranged spaces and that costs someone money. I just feel that the co-opting of ancient teachings into some kind of brand it utterly ridiculous. ”

    This is same orientation that is behind part of my whole “Open Source Buddhism” idea. The idea that the Dharma, be it scriptures or techniques, is not owned by anyone. It’s a birthright of every being. Realization is not something that can be owned and the techniques or methods that act as skillful means to bring about realization should not be under patent or copyright.

    I wish that translation was easier. Right now, I see a general problem in that texts and such are often not studied by people and the ability to get them in front of people is often limited by the fact that every decent translation of a text, with a few exceptions, such as the Numata Center’s digital texts project at http://www.numatacenter.com/default.aspx?MPID=81, is under copyright.

    Perhaps this should be a separate thread as well since this has diverged from aspects of “Spiritual Materialism.”

  • Avatar Image Tylik said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Just a note on translation – would something like a wiki make sense? I was just noticing that my undergrad department (Asian Languages and Literature at the U of WA) includes a Buddhist studies program. You’d think I’d have noticed considering how many Buddhists Studies folks took the guwen series, but I was pretty focused on the earlier material at the time.

    I’d certainly contribute to translations of Chan texts – I have a few projects in that line I’ve been picking away at already, and as you know I (sometimes, when I remember and get around to it) post my translations already. Honestly I’ve been a little more hesitant with the Chan material just because it is out of the time period I know best, and until I’ve spent more time with the particular Buddhist terminology I’m likely to do some pretty bone-headed things.

    And just because it’s an interesting resource, this guy is putting together a bunch of translations of almost any non-Buddhist classical Chinese texts: http://chinese.dsturgeon.net/index.html

    (I really like to be able to get soft copies of anything I am translating, as I can enlarge the font and add a bunch of white space so I can scribble all over it.)