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Limits of Practice (5 posts)

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  • Avatar Image Al Jigen Billings1p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Catherine posted the following in the Spiritual Materialism discussion. I thought it merited its own thread.

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    I’m putting this in a different post, though perhaps it would be better to move it into a different conversation

    Is 5-10 hours a week that difficult for people?

    I’d really like to avoid having this become an ordered list of who sits how long, but I would like to have a better idea of what people are struggling with. I know when I teach Taiji, it seems to be a good rule of thumb not to expect that most people will practice outside of class. I’m not particularly bothered by this. And some people do, and they more ofter are the people who stick with it and do more with it, but not always. (And I’ve been really blessed in my students. And teachers, for that matter.) Personally, my schedule is my schedule because I like my life that way a lot – but a lot of people seem pretty horrified by it, and I’m perfectly happy to accept that it might not be especially portable. When it comes to practice, well, you’re doing the work that you’re doing. Anyone who thinks attending my classes is valuable is welcome there, but a class by itself is maybe a little flavor, and it doesn’t strike me as a meal to sustain you. I mention the Taiji just because it’s something I’ve been doing in a formal way for quite a while, and something I’ve experienced from a number of perspectives. By the time I started a formal regular practice of zuochan, I’d had a meditative practice in various forms for some decades and was accustomed to making that sort of time in my life. I don’t know how it works for most people.

    I hear a lot about people not having time in the modern world, but that hasn’t really been my experience. (One major exception: small children. I am in awe of anyone who has small children and manages to get anything else done.*) I mean, there is always limited time, and there are priorities for that time. And I do think that people have different needs for down time. It took me a long time to realize that when my spine injury was particularly bad, hot baths and trash fiction were often more productive than trying to make myself do something “productive”. But it has also been my experience that a lot of choosing to do things is often as much the converse: choosing not to do other things. The clearer I’ve gotten on what is important to me, the easier it has been to lay aside other things.

    Ridiculing people for not practicing also doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense, though it seems we’re often not a sensible people. I generally figure that people will practice when it becomes important for them to do so, and try not to get in any one else’s way. I guess I have seen situations where people have tried to use practice – as well as any other number of measures – as a way of establishing some kind of social hierarchy. Meh. But mostly, what a waste of time. I’ve also run into a lot of people who have been pretty deeply unhappy about their own practices or lack thereof. And sometimes this unhappiness seems to get projected at other people. (Of course, that is in turn my interpretation.) A lot of these things seem very convoluted for people. That often hasn’t been my experience… but then, my experience for myself has been that usually when things seemed most complex, and I most conflicted, I was usually trying to avoid looking at a relatively simple choice straight on.

    * My yoga teacher was talking about making time for uninterrupted practice, and mentioned that it really doesn’t apply to people with young children, but then raising a family is itself a yogic practice. I’m still in awe.

  • Avatar Image Keith Angilly2p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Nice post…I think the time spent practicing is just something that evolves. One thing I hear from people with a consistent practice is that when they don’t feel like practicing, they find themselves on the cushion anyway. If there is a will, there is way. I don’t think it can be forced. One thing I struggle with is morning practice. My personal practice is to do 108 bows and sit 30 minutes a day. Ideally, that would happen in the morning, but usually I do it later in the day. That is sheer laziness on my part and I find it a bit frustrating. But, there is no rush and I would imagine sooner or later, morning practice will become the norm. The most important thing, imho, is to be kind to ourselves and not get to crazy with the negative self-talk.

  • Avatar Image Tylik said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Why do you think it should be a morning practice?

    I seem to be a morning person – much to the despair of my mother, who was perplexed when coming to down find me watching the trees, lake and mountains out of our livingroom window every morning when I was about four. A lot of my practice is in the mornings, which makes a lot of sense for me. Not sitting, though – I sit in the evening. This is somewhat happenstance, with how my and my roommate’s schedule has evolved, but I like the shape of it. I notice a lot of people seem to give special regard to morning practice, though, and I don’t know if that makes sense for everyone.

    I do find consistency to be very useful. And I live a pretty scheduled life, which (along with the early hours – I’m pushing it on bed time now) is what most people seem a bit horrified by. It’s not that it’s inflexible – but rather than spending a lot of time wondering what I want to do, I have a set of things I do at the same time most days.

  • Avatar Image Keith Angilly2p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Hi Catherine,
    It’s a great way to start the day and I always feel better when I get up and do it. I get up 5:45 to get ready for work, but it would be easy enough to get up an hour early. Sometimes I make that happen…most times not. But, no I don’t think it is best for everyone, just me. :)

    Ditto on your thoughts regarding consistency.

  • Avatar Image Al Jigen Billings1p said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    See, I don’t even get out of bed until 8:00 or 8:15 and leave for work between 8:30 and 8:45 when I have to go to the office (two days a week). I’m a night person, not going to sleep until 12:30 or 1:00.

    I’ve tried to move towards morning practice but it just doesn’t seem to work out well.